Heaven, Hell and Purgatory: Alien Spiritual Crimes Against Humanity
Posted: Thursday, January 13, 2011
by Paul Schroeder
alien / demonic attachment
(author's note:all images are in public domain)
Biblical descriptions utterly and dismally fail to aptly describe God and what happens to us, after death.
Old Testament accounts slander God, the Universal Light, Father of our spirits, as a God of "wrath, vengeance, anger, vindictiveness and punishment".
deceptive and cruel, a governing race of Reptilian aliens.
Using a technology miraculous in nature,
(see,"Aliens and the Ark of the Covenant", on SW /swa555742-Aliens-And-The-Ark-Of-The-Covenant.htm )
beings deceptive and controlling, sinister in nature set up a hoax which resides deeply within our Bible.
Alien abductees the world over describe their encounters with disingenuous Godlike beings from UFOs who to many taken, still claim to be the authors of our being.
Aliens in their UFOs were precisely these very ancient, deceiving "Being", who masqueraded as our real God to Israelites 5,000 years ago.
Why would God be portrayed, enacted by an race of Alien 'EVIL' ones to humans?
The stipulative definition of EVIL, has a uniform molasses syrup, for Biblical aliens and present day aliens, when boiled down: predatory, sinister, self-justifying, controlling and deceptive.
Isn't this precisely what The Old Testament relates?
Look at the inherent social qualities of this 'God":
An all powerful, demanding, sinister, 'paranormal' (good alien technology looks just like magic) controlling, self justifying, angry if crossed, ENTITY, suddenly on the scene , announces itself as a divine presence; a demanding, jealous 'God' asserts control over an ancient desert people.
Is God, then as a concept, thus an alien illusion?
No,
God is real, just NOT the 'God' of the Old Testament.
Rare souls who have experienced God, in the presence of the Christ-Light, even for a moment, know a hidden unwritten truth about God; He is capable only of LIGHT and LOVE , which radiates palpably when one is in His presence.
God's love, a presence of a figure of Light, the Christ-Light Presence, stands one in God's love,
suffuses one like a tsunami wave, a wave that overwhelms one with a Niagara
rapture, bliss and exquisite love.
It is a rare ineffable experience had by a select few.
Hell, a place, a time, a consciousness, in which there is no love is the opposite experience..
One never forgets such a moment with The Christ-Light figure; it is life defining as a direct spiritual experience.
Bible Thumpers, in their desperate search to embrace God warn critics of the Bible of certain punishment, from Hell, for daring the sin of challenging the Bible to reveal the non authenticity of that 'God' being.
To them, since the Bible is "the living, breathing Word of God", God is a punishing "angry and vengeful" spiritual '
“Hell is a place, a time, a consciousness, in which there is no love.”
Unquestioning non critical religious thinking which uses that" Holy Bible" towards obtaining a focused lens to perceive God's truer nature, is also duped; teaching such scripture deludes and deceives the World..
The Holy Bible is an alien roadmap within an alien mind set; one who studies it and is taught by others that it is "infallible truth" can repeat only what one has been taught through religion, wearing a pair of designer alien blinders that believers call 'faith'.
Jesus taught that God loves us, unconditionally; He
would neither create a Hell nor condemn us to any version of Hell, for an eternity, forever.
Hell, a demonic Reptilian alien astral dimension, is where our garnered, diverted and stolen souls suffer, controlled by the same inter dimensional, micro managing, demonic, alien Reptilians.
Orthodox Judaism holds that since we are ALL sinners in some fashion, that after our physical death, we ALL go to a seven leveled Hell, Gehenna, for a duration of specialized, individualized time, before our transit to Heaven.
Purgatory, a sad lost place and Hell, a torture, are dimensional places contrived by demonic, not divine celestial beings.
God works at our reincarnations in a Goodness oriented, miraculously organized fashion, for our (not stolen by aliens) soul's evolution towards Him, in a constant spiritual recycling.
There is another "door", besides the door to Heaven, after our death, a dark one, for degenerate sinners who go through it directly back into a woman's womb, slapped directly back without a blueprint or angels oversight.
Somewhere Hitler's soul was again within a child and his mother was thinking,
"What is WRONG with that child?!"
But even Dark Souls are rescued from this plight, eventually.
"Righteous" souls continue on to Heaven for reconciliation and reunion, to prepare for yet another lifetime's blueprint.
This is how we evolve, spiritually, taking many semesters in this School that we call Earth.
There are many lost souls who wander on Earth, afraid to go on, consciously afeard of God's judgement.
Many other 'wanderers', ghosts, are simply ignorant of their death.
Then, too, souls of others who perished in explosions or fires are much too afraid of ANY light to enter into that one Christ light, the transporting light to Heaven.
We, as eternal souls, undergo a myriad series of transits; nothing except our soul's survival, is "forever".
Hell and Heaven cannot be 'eternal'.
Reincarnation is tantamount and intrinsic; the Bible and religion insists that you only live once.
Biblical notions conflict with spiritual research's findings and its wider implications.
We could never evolve spiritually if we got stuck in Hell or Heaven "forever" or only had one lifetime.
That is counter to God's plan for us.
Even sinister Earthbound ghosts and brilliantly diabolical demons are rescued and returned to God's love after a long time, eventually.
Heaven, Hell and Purgatory are transit points for our evolving souls; "The Agony and the Permanency of Biblical Hell", as taught, is a Biblical fallacy, a manmade erroneous notion of God's purpose within our spirituality.
To trust the ancient Jewish Bible's discernment of God, as an "angry" God, a "Vengeful God", is to unknowingly misrepresent God's true nature.
To TEACH this wrong, about God, through religious tutoring, is
a sin, big time, if ever I saw a sin.
To accept the Bible "on faith", is to deny existence of our all loving God.
Faith in the Bible, as God's living word, prevents accumulated learning; contrary scientific and spiritual truths can not take root.
A closed mindedness, twisted counter to God's intent for us, does then regard
proven fossil evidence towards evolution as the Devil's hiding bones, to confound us.
One hears only rote Evangelical words as an echo from tutored frozen religious minds; God given brains are gone to sleep, to waste.
The 'devout' strongly hold wrong, non-critical thoughts about reality and about God, under the seeming guise of "faith", because the Bible 'disagrees' .
Others, like me insist that God must be discerned, worshipped and revered in the 21st century WITHOUT the Old Testament.
This " Holy reference book" about a controlling , powerful, demanding, supernatural, intrusive and clearly sinister entity, was penned by ancient desert Hebrews 5,000 years ago; it's long since time for humanity to renew our spiritual subscriptions.
Many, researchers purposefully disregarding the O. T. Bible, have assembled spiritual insights which like small puzzle pieces, do not yield the whole picture but give one a general idea of what the whole puzzle should look like.
The gleaned spiritual insights are very far from Biblical "truths'.
In a spiritual crime against humanity, alien tactics and motives are revealed in the Bible.
They duped the ancient Hebrews, authors of the Bible, in an impersonation of a 'God'; they perpetrated an assumed identity divinity scam.
Sinister, manipulative, deceptive reptilian aliens are all too prevalent now, as they were then.
Encumbered by a "faith" umbilically tied to the Old Testament, the spiritual mind of mankind is alien chained and tethered .
I come from an Orthodox Jewish background, a background deeply historically rooted in absolute unquestioning belief in our Bible.
Christian Fundamentalists?
Judaism is the tree of fanatical faith.
Every word of our Old Testament is revered without question as absolute truth; our tree of fanatical religion spawned the Fundamentalist Evangelical Christianity Faith, an extra and mere branch, on that 'tree'.
Both religions, however, are equally inflexible in adherence to The Old Testament ; they see it as absolute truth.
Orthodox Jews spend their whole day, their whole life, devoted to studying the Torah, Old Testament Five Books of Moses with a religious fervor, believing in the "God" of the Old Testament.
Ironically, Jesus came to free Jews and the world from the Letter of the Law, without the spirit of the law, from religious tyranny, but Fundamentalist Christians , blind to this, refuse this 'gift' and hug the old Testament even more tightly.
Orthodox Judaism, intense in its devotion to the Bible, however, sees an almost relaxed Christian experience;
Jews keep all 613 rules, the Sabbath and pray three required times a day; Christians, by comparison, may go to attend Church, on a Sunday.
Both religions, however, embrace the same focus, a blind religiosity of The Old Testament. .
On the Sabbath, in Jewish
synagogues, one would NEVER hear rabbis quote from the New Testament, because it's not OUR "Book" and we'd get it all wrong.
The same thing happens to Jews when they hear Christian Evangelists thump our O. T. Bible, in Church; it's not THEIR "Book", and they almost always get it all wrong.
Curious about alien-mankind interactions?
The Bible is the best book to read about ancient alien encounters, alien tactics and motives.
Just think and
ask yourself:
Why would the Hebrew O. T. God of the Universe insist and
demand that the Hebrew's worship MUST involve a sacrificed animal's blood ( and only from a perfect, red haired bovine) and that this blood be carefully splashed onto all four corners of the altar?
It announces the demonic in this demanded blood sacrifice as no entity or intelligence remotely 'Holy', would demand such.
That's an alien fingerprint in the Bible, to observe, but only if one is free to question, to THINK about it.
Un godlike murder and slavery, alien basic tenets of Reptilians, are directly sanctioned in this Bible, revealing even clearer and more 'fingerprints' of a "God imposter" race of aliens.
The Bible's rules and logics of slavery, handed down to these desert people were used by Christians thousands of years later as the God- given and justifying reason to enslave dark skinned others.
Christians used the Bible to maintain that since Noah's cousin Ham was black and was cursed by God and that by implication all black and non-white non Christian heathen peoples were similarly cursed and thus suitable for slavery.
Native American Indians and Blacks were singled out.
Christians used the Bible to point out that rather than the existence of any God given Biblical prohibition towards slavery, that God clearly sanctioned slavery in the Bible as a religious law and rule:
Leviticus 25:44-46 "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."
The eleventh commandment given by a real all loving God to the ancient Hebrews would have instead read;
"Thou shalt not enslave thy brother".
Reptilian aliens, gangsters and Nazis in their demeanors, sanction murder in the Old Testament, everywhere, another 'dead giveaway', forgive the pun.
Un Godly and frequent use of murder, as certain punishment for breaking any 'Laws", in The Bible, reveals the clearest reptilian fingerprints and profile.
One of the Bible's ten basic Pillars, the ten commandments, says: "Thou shalt not murder. (Exodus 20:13)."
Yet, in the Bible, we see "God of the Universe" commanding the sanctioned killing of every breathing creature from humans to animals.
If this still seems to be the nature and behavior and thinking of the all loving God of the Universe, and not alien to your mind, you are very well suited to have been an ancient Israelite!
Take a much closer look at "God's" ' prohibitions and delineated "Punishments":
Murder is divinely legislated and sanctioned by God throughout the Old Testament's Social Laws:
"And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 21:17)"
"For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. (Leviticus 20:9)"
"And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death. (Leviticus 24:16)"
"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him."
"Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death.
Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people." (Deuteronomy 13:6-9)"
"And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die. (Deuteronomy 17:3-5)"
God orders the killing of everything that "breathes" from humans to animals:
Deuteronomy 20:16
" in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes."
Apparently, it is God's edict to mass-murder every single human and animal from the defeated enemy:
1 Samuel 15:2-4
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.
The Almighty divine and all loving God dictates that everyone be killed, everyone except for virgin girls:
"They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man........Now kill all the boys [innocent children]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)".
Reptilian aliens, Dracos, are closely aligned, imitative of Draconian mind sets in their domination of the Galaxy. Old Testament clearly sinister and most un Godly rules, which approve murder, are proof that the Bible was certainly NOT inspired by the all -loving God Almighty of the Universe.
Abraham, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Moses were long micro managed by a race of deceptive, predatory, sinister, controlling, self-justifying alien beings.
UFOs are still prevalent in the night skies above Israel; their pilots, known well around the world from abduction experiences are profoundly alike in demeanor to that ancient desert "God".
Bible laws enforced by death penalties, inherent evil and not goodness, were dictated by a race of alien scam artists whose inner hearts touched not nor approached the true heart of our all- loving God.
Alien beings 'fingerprints' and clearer alien silhouettes emerge in the Old Testament and
stand out within a facile examination of the technology of the Ark of the Covenant device.
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Worship of this Jewish "God", who threateningly demanded such, seen by our 21st century eyes and minds, cannot be a divine road to Heaven.
If our destiny is for our minds and our souls to grow towards God , wearing Biblical Blinders defeats any and all of those Holy aspirations for us.
We only know a religion, drummed into us, one unwilling and
unable to allow us to critically unlearn and rethink.
Biblical thumpers, brainwashed, will not rethink themselves; they travel the Bible's rails as a train would, on fixed tracks, unable, unsuited for freer cerebral movement.
If the devout who feel threatened, challenged by all of this, MUST pray for we Bible critics,
pray that closed minds accept God's absolute love for us.
Pray that Bible religion- taught fear of Damnation and Hellfire does not continue to scare souls away from God or make one leery of any belief in God.
Most of all, pray that closed religious minds, must from now on, also come with closed mouths.
God is light years different from the punishing, vengeful, angry, demanding One described in that ancient 'Book'.
To refute the Bible, always elicits warnings about 'Eternal Hell fires',
punishment and eternal damnation from its adherents.
Hell suggests more serious concerns at hand.
Consider why a God would 'punish' ;
when you punish your children, is it because they are wicked beings and deserve to suffer?
Parents who love their children certainly punish to teach children a lesson,
to reform them to the correct path.
The same is true of a prison and justice system, that all wise punishment is directed towards reforming an individual.
But Hell fails miserably in this regard.
Because it is eternal, there is no chance for progress or reform.
It is punishment for its own sake; should we love a God who manifests sadism?
Who would threaten us and in the same breath confess a love for us?
Ask abductees, the world over.
Reptilian Aliens.
Deceiving, manipulative and sinister, highly technological imposters, whose natures, demeanors, tactics and motives persist unchanged, 5,000 years later, are the culprits.
Their advanced technological displays still look like magic to us.
Their craft, aloft and omnipresent in our skies are a constant reminder that they wittingly deluded gullible ancients, who in turn, forever altered and distorted our notions of God.
Faith and prayer in our Father, an All loving God of Light, of whom we are a spark, must not collapse in this realization, as God is most real.
It is only The Bible's assessment of God, which is just chock plumb full of alien wild blueberry muffins.
On her radio show, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is for her, an abomination and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. She calls upon the Holy Scriptures, specifically, Leviticus 18:22 to support her conviction. The following response was penned by a U.S. citizen and posted on the Internet.
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Dear Dr. Laura:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Law and how to follow them.
1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. The passage clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?
7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?
9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with
their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Your adoring fan,
James M. Kauffman, Ed.D.
Professor Emeritus
Dept. of Curriculum, Instruction, and Special Education, University of Virginia
(Author's Addendum: Shortly after publishing this on SW, I received a double handful of polite radio interview requests seeking my appearance on their 'shows'.
This one typified most of them; below, is my uniform response to all such requests.
Paul Schroeder)
Hi Paul.
I was wondering if you would like to be a guest on "Adventures Into The Strange"? Our radio show has a very strong Christian audience of close to 600K listeners around the globe. I would enjoy hearing more about your perspective and would like to offer you the opportunity to be on the show. We are a licensed FCC content provider so we utilize and adapt our content to follow their guide lines as far as language on the show. We broadcast five nights a week for two hours and break for regular commercials. I have an opening for either Thursday or this this Friday. We start at 7:00 Pm Central till 9:00.
Thanks,
JOHN EDMONDS MSW
Dear John ( a "Dear John" Letter),
Sounds like a public stoning; "strong Christian" audiences would most likely set up burning crosses on my front lawn and threaten your station with high explosives, a most "un" Christian experience for both of us..
Rather than confront cynical scorn from debunkers or religious militants, when I regularly agree to "go on the air" it is with predominately approving, accepting audiences who are curious.
Rob McConnell's show, from Canada and Uri Geller's show on Armed Forces Radio were my most recent interviews.
I seek to help others troubled by alien intelligence's abductions and bullying, as I am.
This broadcast offer offers to sandbag me; discussions with "Strong Christians" would yield more 'heat' than 'light'. Closed minds do NOT come with closed mouths.
I do, however, as an on the air experiment, give you legal permission rights to read my article on the air, aloud to invite and assess audience thought of it.
Bible Thumpers, devout and fast to rage, are generally a violent lot.
As Gandhi said, "I very much like your Christ, but I do not at all like your Christians"
After you 'test the waters', I may well agree to come on the air to chew Biblical fat about alien spiritual crimes against humanity.You are welcome to read this note as a 'clincher', on the air, as well.
Many suffer, precisely like Moses and Abraham did; alien interference and psychic dominance, whisper and work in a subtle, insidious way.
A signature symptom of psychic intrusion is the onset of free floating anxiety and panic attacks, a result of their unseen and almost demonic predatory attacks on our
spirit.
Anxiety is the soul's reaction to its intrusion.
Many have suffered
much without any knowledge of what caused such horrid psychic
traumas.
As a tangential, verifying proof, I am always attacked exponentially, after doing writings such as these or immediately after doing broadcasts, so I shall
weigh and ponder whether I am up to such a continued war, as I suffer battle
fatigue from being a warrior and yearn for ambassadorship, instead.
Paul Schroeder
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Top-level comments on this article: (8 total)Rather than 'renew our subscription' to this ancient reference book; perhaps we should re-edit it- as has been done so many times in the unenlightened past centuries- what it seems to need now, is an update- to 20th century evolved thinking.It seems that most people are content to skate along with 16th and 17th century editing thoughts......It's time the Bible 'got with' the new millenium!-
Your writing is becoming more revealitory of your astute sagacity and wisdom. Thank you- for this generosity- A&F- EllaPlease log in to respond to this comment.I may be smarter than the average bear, Yogi, but still a bear, nevertheless.
Biblical thumpers who have been brainwashed and who have long relished the silly ideas within as "divine", cannot and will not rethink themselves; they travel the same Bible rails as any train would, completely unable,unsuited for freer movements.Please log in to respond to this comment.Indeed- although smarter than the average man; still a 'man' nevertheless
you are too modest- "Hide it under a bush- oh no- let it shine- let it shine- let it shine." Part of "This Little Light of Mine," A song I learned in Sunday school- many moons ago........Please log in to respond to this comment.
This is very wonderfully said. I loved it the first time I read it. God certainly isn't that harsh to burn His children in the lake of fire or brimstone or whatever. He has the heart of a child who always forgives and offers more compassion and love even when we don't ask for it. There is no doubt that our life is an institution on this earth and we "graduate" to higher spheres of learning after we pass. Thank you.
DMPlease log in to respond to this comment.Biblical thumpers who have been brainwashed and who have long relished the silly ideas within as "divine", cannot and will not rethink themselves; they travel the same Bible rails as any train would, completely unable,unsuited for freer movements.
How is your psychic growth coming; have spirits surrounded you more, seeking respite?
Do you sleep well?
Affection,
PaulPlease log in to respond to this comment.Much to the grace of my masters, I have been healed Paul. Just soon after the suicide next door I was a bit troubled and unable to sleep for a couple of nights as dogs would howl outside. I feel much better now and spiritual progress has been sweet as nectar. God is very much there in my heart as love and peace. I sleep well these days. Thank you for asking.
DMPlease log in to respond to this comment.Greetings -
First - GOD is love WHO gives us options to choose life or death. GOD will NOT force acceptance of His FULL gospel truth. He loves every single soul, including those who reject and mock Him. But GOD is abundantly clear about the consequences of rejection of Him.
I love all who defy GOD, but my love for such individuals cannot bring escape from the wrath of GOD if His commandments are rejected. It is about choice....
On average, parents love their children and desire only the best for them. But if children are taught what is true, proper, decent, credible and reasonable yet they choose to reject sound instruction, they bear responsibility for said rejections. If an adult offspring commits a crime that leads to death row that route does NOT negate the truth that the parents taught that individual better than the poor choice that was made. The choice to choose death was NOT that of the parents. Death row was the consequence of a deadly poor choice.
There is much discussion about whether the Holy Bible is truth. Indeed it is truth. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (2 Timothy 3:16)
The truth of GOD's Word says, "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." (Galatians 6:7)
Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? (Romans 2:4)
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone:.. (Revelation 21:8)Please log in to respond to this comment.Thanks Sandra for your voice of truth and reason. Praying all will have ears to hear and eyes to see. Time is very short.Please log in to respond to this comment.Hi Marijo -
You are certainly welcome. Yes, we all need prayer, indeed.Please log in to respond to this comment."But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone:.. (Revelation 21:8)"
Proof perfect of the distance between what people THINK is the limits of God's love and what are actually the unlimited love of God; this Biblical threat of punishment is madness of demonic ilk, not divine.
Why would anyone accept that brainwashed and hung out to dry FEAR of God when we well know that God is ONLY love?
What you quote is from demonic lips and evil tongues; it is a worse sin to attribute these evils to God because an ancient people, duped by sinister creatures, wrote it such.
Your heart surely knows that God isn't ever capable of such evil intent; sinister aliens , most unfit parents , were instead seen as God and described by these deluded Hebrews.
The real God of the Universe does NOT write books..........
Please log in to respond to this comment.And what he inspires to be written- would not sound like that- To me, that kind of fear-driven rubbish is tantamount to someone saying that I would pour scalding hot water over my child if he did something I didn't like- How dare anyone attribute that sort of thinking and action to God in dealing with his own children.......something they would be horrified to think of in a human- they have no problem thinking of as Gods will?? By believing that about God, they are in effect, putting God in the same category as a demented sadistic human being......Please log in to respond to this comment.All commented or written by some mad idiotic who wanted to accumulate a lot of wealth. So the easiest way was to instill fear. :-)Please log in to respond to this comment.You know Paul, (we might have touched upon this before) even if I were to find out that the Bible was written by men and not inspired by God (which I definitely do not believe) I will have few regrets about who I am and the changes made in my person and choices I have made since I based my life on that Book.
I am truly different from the atheist, drunk and stoned party woman I used to be who sliced people up with her tongue. I will have few regrets for the life I lived the past 36 plus years IF you are correct in your assumptions.
If the "thumpers" of the world are correct then others might not be able to say the same and I cringe. Jesus paid the price for me and for you - all we need to do is ask forgiveness and accept that gift, before it is too late. Again, I have very few regrets.
Please log in to respond to this comment.Stop "cringing", for God's sakes, and be grateful as am I for you, that you were inspired to turn your life around.
That book was a timely and much needed crutch, an inspiring tool towards the correct God who only loves us.
The accounts of God's personality and nature are lies, distorted, within that book; your associated salvation does not mean that you must now cling to that crutch and that you'd fall without it..
Spiritual truths about Jesus, beyond any book's account and preacher's Hellfire preaching, are totally and fully accepted by me; worry not about brimstone and fire.
That book is NOT the roadmap to God; it is a( wrong) reference to Him.
God blossoms in our hearts as does Christ("christos, from Greek, for 'chosen one'); God is far better and sweeter than that Book's mistaken essence of Him.
Please log in to respond to this comment.I come from an Orthodox Jewish background, a background deeply historically rooted in absolute unquestioning belief in our Bible.
Judaism, the tree of fanatical faith in every word of our Old Testament spawned the Fundamentalist Evangelical Christianity Faith, a branch.
Both are equally inflexible in adherance to The Old Testament as absolute truth; Orthodox Jews spend their whole day, their whole life devoted to studying the Torah(Old Testament; The Five Books of Moses) and with religious fervor adhere to all 613 laws.
You have no inkling how intense this Jewish life , devoted to the Bible is, compared to the almost relaxed Christian experience.
Jews keep these 613 rules, keep the Sabbath and pray three times a day; Christians only go to Church on Sunday.
From this perspective, I speak knowingly about what it is to think against the rules.
I, with prudence, have resisted a greater black hole of gravity concerning the same blind rote Bible religiosity that encompasses you.
It is, after all, OUR "Book".....Why is the Bible not about God, but about a demonic ? I could expostulate for hours; but just think and
ask yourself:
Why would the Hebrew O.T. God, God of the Universe, insist and
demand that worship involve a sacrificed animal's blood( and only from a perfect, red haired bovine) and that the blood carefully be splashed onto all four corners of the altar?
It all stinks of the demonic, and nothing Holy, not even remotely, when one is free to think about it.
Worship of the Jewish "God" in the manner insisted upon in the Old Testament, surely cannot be divine or any road to Heaven.
Affection,
Paul
Please log in to respond to this comment.Anyone who pretends to have the one and only "truth', is simply merely power hungry; there are, as within an onion, many, many different layers of truth....Please log in to respond to this comment.@ Sandra - I am sorry, I believe not even a single word you say! Thank you for sharing, but they make no sense to me. God never makes man accept religion through fear. Never! I can present much better examples from my own culture to show how even the most violent man was forgiven by God and he immediately found enlightenment. There is no lake of fire in my faith. There is only one eternal heart of God which has one love for all. For me God doesn't exist outside the universe, He exists in me, you, animals, trees, plants, reptiles, insects, worms, vermin, even in a rapist, murderer, an outer space alien, he is there in the river, in the ocean, in the mountain, in the stars. There is no place He is not. Where are you going to catch Him? Which place when you haven't learned to find Him in your heart through the art of attaining enlightenment. Christ showed the path to enlightenment, but you are instead holding on to the image of Christ instead of practicing what he practiced.
All these mindless reading of the texts gives nothing at all, no progress of the soul. Instilling fear into man's mind only to get him converted into the faith is not a way to salvation. Only if poor Christ could see his teachings getting crucified everyday like this certainly wouldn't sanctify his soul.
If at all a Judgment Day had to come, certainly it should have been pronounced the day Europe saw millions of Jews getting pushed into the ghettos. Christianity was then and is now. Judgment Day is nothing but a state of the evolution of the soul and will NEVER COME!Please log in to respond to this comment.It was after all, Christians who murdered 11,000,ooo people in some 500 death camps, throughout Europe during WW2; it was Christians, only, who murdered 2,000,000 Jewish children.
What is it about Christianity, that prevents it from 'taking'?Please log in to respond to this comment.Ditto! The next step is to sell oil. :DPlease log in to respond to this comment.
Dearest Paul. You are correct. Bible believing Christians are brainwashed. Washed with the shed blood of Jesus Christ. Washed by the Holy Spirit of God. Freed and cleansed to see the truth about ourselves and His will. Cleansed from the deceitful ways of the false and demonic spirits that once held us bondage to our sin. Cleansed and freed to accept the goodness, mercy, and justice of our Creator. You my dear Paul have been brainwashed as well. You are a thumper, but you are also a basher. You push your convictions and strong belief about alien abduction and press and encourage others to accept the "christ light", but you do not use this love you get from "god" in appreciation or respect for those who choose to believe the Bible - you bash them and mock them and call them names. Everybody believes in something - everybody wants to share what they are passionate about. So everyone is a thumper of something. Be it religion, politics, sports, whatever. Why do you insist that people who believe the bible as God's word do not think for themselves? We make decisions everyday, we have free will to do it God's way or our way. If you don't believe it fine, but why mock the one who does? God does not change, nor does he bend to the wave of society. His truth does not change. The bible is historically and prophetically 100% correct and has never been able to be disproven, but has always been proven to be true. But that is really not the point here. Also, the bible doesn't teach of a place called purgatory, but then that is another issue as well.
Why be hostile to those who share truth as they see it, just as you do? You are also correct in saying that Jesus said God's love is unconditional - but love is not what saves us, if it was, His son would not have had to go to the cross.
And you dear friend believe in a "book" as well, you believe the books you read and the people you meet with who have helped shape you into who you are - why is this okay for you, but not for those who choose to model their life after The Book? You are so sure you have the truth and that is okay for you and you preach it. Why is it not okay for Bible believing Christians to do the same?
Anyway, just had to share my thoughts. You are in my prayers dear friend! And God does write books - He records everything - and when we meet Him those books will be opened. :-)Please log in to respond to this comment.The blood of Jesus got dried centuries back. There is no blood anymore. Jesus has reincarnated many times and we have failed to notice him Teresa. :-) There is no imaginary God existing apart from us. Christ showed the way to enlightenment just like Buddha and Krishna did. Religion if cannot coincide with the supreme truth with other religious faiths? Something is seriously wrong with the interpretation.
Jesus went to the cross, demonstrated death can be defeated not only by him, but by everyone of us. He used the ancient art of meditation, entered a state of trance, he never sensed even an inch of pain when they dug that nail through his hands and feet. This is very much recorded by one of the apostles. In my opinion it should be Paul.
There are many enlightened Buddhas who have come and gone and all have practiced the similar way. I have the book "The Second Coming of Christ" right next to me. I am reading it and I know what these words of the Bible mean exactly. These are mystical experiences which cannot be interpreted by a common man. :-) Thank you and peace.
DMPlease log in to respond to this comment.Hello DM -Thank you for a kind and intelligent reply. We will have to agree to disagree on this one. Paul wrote 1/3 of the New Testament and outside sources record that Paul was a firm follower and Apostle of Jesus Christ. He taught the opposite of the information in the book you are reading. I rather believe the prophecies that are recorded in the old testament that have all been 100% accurate regarding the coming Messiah - Jesus Christ and all that Jesus taught and said about who he was/is, than to believe a book that is filled with opinion rather than provable facts. It's a tough one - we all have the freedom to believe any source of information that comes our way. I choose to believe the most proven, documented, and life changing Book out there. The second coming of Christ will happen and I do look forward to it. With all that is going on in the world, and many more prophecies which are being fullfilled right before our eyes, it won't be much longer. I'm praying for all of my friends and family so that won't be left behind. ,,, If I am wrong, then I have lost nothing - but gained so much in this life....If I am right....then too many others will be lost and that breaks my heart. Thank you and peace to you. :-)Please log in to respond to this comment.We all have 100% freedom not only to believe Teresa, but to test the truth and experience it. That is where I am leading you. Make one step forward to even test it. Many evangelists wanted to taint yoga and meditation as evil. Do you think Christ never meditated like the Buddha? He certainly did and so did his apostles and each of his apostle was highly spiritually evolved. No exaggeration.
No book is of use till you open the inner book of your heart. I am certainly not lost as I see the same light in my "Third eye - eye of Christ" every day and night. This minute I can close my eyes and be lost in the eternal light of God and instantly all sorrows, attachments and worries disappear. There is a way to know exactly what those words mean and how to experience them. Buddha meditated in the forest for many years and he fasted just like Christ for over 40 days and attained enlightenment. Second coming of Christ will happen when you let it happen within you by opening your third eye. You can do that by even meditating on the image of Christ for a start. That's not a joke. Each one of us have the star gate, the third eye and that is the exit way to the other world. Our soul, when it leaves through that door of the third-eye, that is when we have had a perfect exit at the moment of death. That is where the eternal light of God can be perceived. I have seen it, so have many along with me, and many along with Krishna, Buddha and Christ and you can too, if you want this very moment and Christ will glow full of love even brighter. Thank you and peace.
DMPlease log in to respond to this comment.Thank you DM I know your heart means well and is speaking with love and I thank you for that. You need to know that I do test the spirits as God has called us to. And my experience with God has been and continues to bless me and fill my heart with joy. I am a different person because of what God has done for me. You are right, they meditated - they meditated on God's word as we are called to do. Jesus is alive and well in my heart. He is with me everyday. His Spirit resides in me. But there is a day when He will return physically to rule and reign on earth from Jerusalem. My heart has never been so open as the day I invited the Lord Jesus to save me and cleanse me of my sin. - This is what I will spend the rest of my days sharing with others. That Jesus Christ is the Messiah, the Savior of our souls and we all need forgiveness. You ask me to open my heart and seek the truth, this is what I have been doing for the last 25 years of my life and the longer I walk with God, the more I study his word and compare it to other things, the more convinced I am the the truth is found in Jesus Christ. God through all the apostles warned us to test the spirits and to know the schemes of the devil who can also come as an angel of light. He is the great deceiver and wants people to believe that there is no judgement. God did not create hell for people, it was created for the devil and the demons. Satan knows his time is short and he is running wild on earth deceiving many people who refuse to accept the Truth. Yes, I do want Christ to grow stronger and brighter in me . It is my daily prayer, and thankfully, I am becoming more and more like Him everyday. O - be sure, I am far from perfect, but I seek Higher ground. And as I do, I will be faithful to teach others what I have learned. Some will receive it, some will not, but I love them just the same. Thanks again. Peace.Please log in to respond to this comment.You are mistaking agog impatience for scornful bashing;spiritual cleansing should never be confused with mere brainwashing.
Rather than God inspired, Bible thumpers memorize enforced repetition, a parroting of doctrine, and worse, done in the name of God.
Such inculcated verbatim parroting, is a true enemy of any critical thought.
Those brainwashed religious ilk
can only repeat verbatim what they have been taught.
Critical questioning is forbidden;rote religion teaches that having ANY critical thought simply means that one has a lack of faith.
The sheer condescension and hubris of such people contradicts their repeated message.
I am simply flabbergasted that anyone who honestly claims to be truly seeking God, should be incapable of questioning, rejecting the Old Testament's version of God.
When I begin to insist that any book which I have read is written by God, that's when you should begin to worry about me.Please log in to respond to this comment.Hi Paul.
Who says true seekers of God do not question? Maybe mere followers of what they are taught do not question, but true seekers do question, most have sought many other avenues of faith before they choose Jesus - in fact many times, Jesus is the last choice - That is because his words are not only comforting and inviting, they are also convicting. Bible believing Christians repeat what they have learned - just as you repeat what you have learned. With respect, are you so blind that you do not see you are the same way, just with a different belief? What Christians believe is God, you call the demonic - what you call God and the christ light - Bible believing Christians see as demonic. You came to your conclusion by experience and study, so did Christians. It's all choice. Christians are not robots, they are free in Christ to study. Paul, don't be flabbergasted, don't let the faith of Bible believing christians bother you, you give us too much power in your life. How do you know that my thoughts and belief are not God inspired? Why does it bother you so much that we bible believing Christians choose to believe in a book that has been proven to be correct. Even now many of the prophecies mentioned are being fulfilled. One biggie is that Satan will deceive to the point that people will reject the truth and believe the lie. These are Jesus's words - He confirmed the Old Testament time and time again. Of course, your books say different, but again it's about believing what we choose and living our life accordingly. Many blessings to you from one thumper to another :-)Please log in to respond to this comment.I come from an Orthodox Jewish background, a background deeply historically rooted in absolute unquestioning belief in our Bible.
Judaism, the tree of fanatical faith in every word of our Old Testament spawned the Fundamentalist Evangelical Christianity Faith, a branch.
Both are equally inflexible in adherance to The Old Testament as absolute truth; Orthodox Jews spend their whole day, their whole life devoted to studying the Torah(Old Testament; The Five Books of Moses) and with religious fervor adhere to all 613 laws.
You have no inkling how intense this Jewish life , devoted to the Bible is, compared to the almost relaxed Christian experience.
Jews keep these 613 rules, keep the Sabbath and pray three times a day; Christians only go to Church on Sunday.
From this perspective, I speak knowingly about what it is to think against the rules.
I, with prudence, have resisted a greater black hole of gravity concerning the same blind rote Bible religiosity that encompasses you.
It is, after all, OUR "Book".....Why is the Bible not about God, but about a demonic ? I could expostulate for hours; but just think and
ask yourself:
Why would the Hebrew O.T. God, God of the Universe, insist and
demand that worship involve a sacrificed animal's blood( and only from a perfect, red haired bovine) and that the blood carefully be splashed onto all four corners of the altar?
It all stinks of the demonic, and nothing Holy, not even remotely, when one is free to think about it.
Worship of the Jewish "God" in the manner insisted upon in the Old Testament, surely cannot be divine or any road to Heaven.
Affection,
PaulPlease log in to respond to this comment.Oh Dear friend, you are wrong again. I have a great inkling of what Jewish life is like. I have strong Jews in my family - whose family members are/were survivors of the holocaust. I have studied with Jewish Christians, who have inlighted me and even given me deeper insight to Jesus the Messiah and the redemption that comes from Him and freedom from the sacrificial laws. I understand their festivals and all that was set up was to lead to the Messiah. One of the many things Jesus did was unite the Jews and Gentiles to one people for those in Christ. The sacrifical laws of God have been twisted and perfected by Satan from the beginning. It was His plan all along. Again to get people to believe the lie. Those who continually reject the truth. I have asked myself why God would require such things - I have found that answer in my own life - It makes perfect sense and it shows just how deep the consequence of sin. And shows just how powerful the death and resurrection of Jesus, that He paid the price of sin once for all - that no more sacrifice is needed. Only to accept the costly, yet free gift of God that comes through faith in His Son. Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life and no one comes to Father but through Me. The day you hear me doubt my faith in Jesus and turn from His word is the day you should worry about me. Though that will never happen. Because the more I study and look into other philosophies, the more the Bible speaks truth - for the Holy Spirit warned through the prophets and apostles in teaching that the days we are in would come. I am not surprised by anything I see going on in the spiritual realm and I humbled that God would save a wretch like me and I am forever grateful that his unconditional love wooed me and I am especially grateful that in His love, he changed me into the person I am today and the one I will be in the future. As long as I have breath I will not cease to grow closer to Him and in turn share His goodness with as many people as possible. Peace. TeresaPlease log in to respond to this comment."Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life and no one comes to Father but through Me"
History has left us with no clue about what Jesus actually said (or when he was born); it's ninth century rote religious fiction.
Jesus left behind no personal record whatsoever of what he directly said.
This," no one comes to Father but through Me" is an
exclusionary rule, far from being 'Christian' in scope and intent. It's a revealing and uninspired spiritual closed mindedness clearly Church created..
Christ's "message" is a spiritually negating, spiritually restrictive?
Muslims and Jews do not go to a Christian Heaven; Christians do not go to a Jewish Heaven;
God's Christ would NEVER have taught or claimed such an exclusionary "rule"; it's uninspired harshness reveals at once that it's manmade and not of or from God.Please log in to respond to this comment.That line is actually from "The Bhagavad Gita". Krishna says - All paths lead unto me as in, there is no discrimination of any faith. :-) I love the Bhagavad Gita which is older than 10,000 years and still authentic enough.Please log in to respond to this comment."The sacrifical laws of God have been twisted and perfected by Satan from the beginning. It was His plan all along. Again to get people to believe the lie."
So we do agree; I extend this precise same clear thought to ALL Biblical "demands" from the O.T.'s masquerading "God", however.....Please log in to respond to this comment.Someone else said it all better than I; will you read and keep an 'open' mind? http://www.blackmesapress.com/Religion.htm Affection, PaulPlease log in to respond to this comment.You are mistaking agog impatience for scornful bashing;spiritual cleansing should never be confused with mere brainwashing.
Rather than God inspired, Bible thumpers memorize enforced repetition, a parroting of doctrine, and worse, all done in the name of God.
Such inculcated verbatim parroting, is a true enemy of any critical thought.
Those brainwashed religious ilk
can only repeat verbatim what they have been taught.
Critical questioning is forbidden;rote religion teaches that having ANY critical thought simply means that one has a lack of faith.
The sheer condescension and hubris of such people contradicts their repeated message.
I am simply flabbergasted that anyone who honestly claims to be truly seeking God, should be incapable of questioning, rejecting the Old Testament's version of God.When I begin to insist that any book which I have read is written by God, that's when you should begin to worry about me.Please log in to respond to this comment.Greetings -
@Drunken...
I love you.
You said, "@ Sandra - I am sorry, I believe not even a single word you say..."
No need to be sorry. My firm steadfast position is what it is and I praise the
all-knowing most High GOD for it. Truth is what is is whether it is believed or not.
The Holy Bible says this about GOD's Word, "Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever" - Psalm 119:160. Also, "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:" - Hebrews 9:27.
Drunken..., you can believe the truth of GOD's Word sooner, or later, or when it is too late - but it is a certainty that you will believe. My loving and earnest prayer is that you and others who deny the fullness of the gospel truth come to believe it, in this life, because truly there does exist a lake of fire. Please seek GOD for evidence of His amazing salvation that includes love, peace and joy in abundance with everlasting life for those who do the will of GOD according to His infallible Word, the Holy Bible.
@Teresa and Marijo
I am on board with you ladies in joyous celebration of the most High Almighty GOD. Thank you for your steadfast loyalty to the only One who lives and abides forever in love, peace and joy!!!
And Marijo, as a former atheist, you are a witness that our loving GOD can melt cold unreasonable hearts to come to belief in the full gospel which tells about GOD's love. The same gospel tells truth about the consequences of rejection of GOD'S full truth. Full truth that includes that GOD forgives, has mercy, and also that He demonstrates wrath and punishment for disobedience to that which is contrary to the truths that are contained in His Holy Bible. You are evidence, among others, that with GOD, all things are possible. Praise His full gospel name!Please log in to respond to this comment.AMEN!!!! "I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed unto Him against that day"Please log in to respond to this comment.Amen Sandra. Amen. May God open the eyes of the unbelieving as He did ours. May we remain humble and not soon forget where we came from. that His love and compassion would flow through us - an may He break the hearts of our brothers and sisters in Christ who have fogotten and become short-sighted, harsh, and judgemental. These have given the devil ample room to run rampid in the minds of the unbelieving.Please log in to respond to this comment.I feel like shouting in joy! For there is no other way that we can be immersed and saturated in the bliss of love, joy, and peace but through God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. It's so thrilling to be in love with God because He first loved us!
@Marijo
When I read the scripture that you placed, it was a wow moment for me. Perfect for this!
@Teresa
You said, "May we remain humble and not soon forget where we came from. that His love and compassion would flow through us..."
Teresa, that is such a vital reminder to us. Thank you!
It is very important to be about love, above all else! Love is the foundation of Christianity. If the foundation is absent, we are nothing, and spiritually unprofitable. Love is core. GOD commands it, and He makes it the greatest commandment. From the core foundation, we are commanded to exhibit the other vital fruits of GOD's Spirit as shown in Galatians 5. And we are commanded to think, to speak, and to do the Words of GOD as shown in His Holy Bible. It would NOT be love in fullness if we did not share the full gospel which does include the lake of fire for those who remain unreasonably oppposed to what GOD commands. He warns in Revelation 21:8 that the lake of fire is there for those who choose to "qualify" for it. We owe love to warn people as we were warned. We came to believe because people prayed for us to forsake deception, and thanks be unto God, we did. Now we pray: Lord, please move upon deceived hearts to seek You while You may be found by them and to call upon You, Lord while You are near. Let the loving truth of your expectations be shared and believed. May love be the core of our messages, and may our joy and peace be tranmitted to transform hearts as ours were so generously and graciously transformed by You, Lord - the only route, through Jesus, to eternal peace and contentment.
To Drunken...
How about accepting a challenge to read the entire book of the gospel of John in the Holy Bible and when finished, ask GOD to prove to you if we, who are believers in GOD's love and wrath (lake of fire), are telling the truth? GOD can prove things to people in ABSOLUTE ways. Ask GOD if you are right or if we are.
If you REALLY want to know, Drunken..., GOD will prove Himself and His full gospel to you. Do you REALLY want to know? On judgment day, we all have to answer to GOD. And now that you have read these truths here on this post, GOD knows that you have been given His truths. Do you REALLY want to face GOD on judgment day when He reminds you that you heard, and rejected His truths shared with you?
I strongly urge that you go to GOD to discover just who is right in this matter. You should ask yourself, in all honesty, "Could I be wrong?!"Please log in to respond to this comment.The lake of fire, is a primitive, Neanderthal concept, written and taught by men; Christ is contrary to that concept.Please log in to respond to this comment.Hi Paul -
Thank you for your contribution to this lively "discussion."
I love you. GOD loves you more.Please log in to respond to this comment.I hardly know you but I thank you for professing such ardor!Please log in to respond to this comment."Do you REALLY want to face GOD on judgment day when He reminds you that you heard, and rejected His truths shared with you? "
What if the Bible had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with "God", and on that same threatened 'Judgement Day', YOU had to answer for the lies,wrong beliefs and surely criminal teachings about a hateful, vengeful, jealous, punishing Eternal Divine Being ?
MY 'God", would still love you; 'YOUR" 'God", would send you to Hell!Please log in to respond to this comment.http://www.blackmesapress.com/Religion.htm Do read this with an open mind. PaulPlease log in to respond to this comment.You're a good sport, I must admit.Please log in to respond to this comment.Such a one is not FREE to think about what I and many others postulate; such a one cannot and will not sustain even a tiny inkling of a question.
"Believers in the Bible", as you call them, are prevented ANY such inquiry;
one firmly convinced of another perspective, is then, "a basher".
A closed and brainwashed mind cannot produce thought; it can only repeat verbatim, a parrot of its teachings:
"Washed with the shed blood of Jesus Christ. "
The Church was dead logistically wrong to accept such Paulian ideas ,which misled and were ridiculous.
Such a "Bible believer" is incapable of ever questioning The Bible's authenticity about "God", without feeling serious insult, ego loss or worse, a loss of 'faith'.Please log in to respond to this comment.
Brainwashing and indoctrination is a very hard thing to overcome, requiring intelligence and inquiry into the truth, not just what we read or are told to believe. I feel much compassion for those caught in this insidious trap of unawareness, and I am afraid for them as well because blind belief has and will cause much violence. Look at the Middle East, look at the history of Christianity. Actually, anyone can feel the simmering hatred under the syrupy language of some of the comments above. This is being two-faced, disingenuous, and not to be trusted. Thanks Paul.Please log in to respond to this comment.Those who thump the Bible, have little or none of God in their hearts; you are astute to say," feel the simmering hatred under the syrupy language " as I certainly feel the wrath and hatred of Christians, blinded to their own inner hearts.Please log in to respond to this comment.Greetings Paul and E. Raymond -
I admire your intelligence, and thank you for your generous portions of dialogue.
The ONE whose intelligence, wisdom, and courage that I admire the most, though, is the ONE who created us all, and WHO allows us to inhale and exhale - thanks to HIS generous portions of air. Thank you, GOD!
You doubt my love. Certainly that is your prerogative. GOD is my witness that I love you. His witness is more than enough for me - He cannot be fooled. I stated truths. My role is NOT to convince you, but to decree that which is truth. The option to believe truth or to continue in deceit is a choice for each of us to make. GOD is pleased with my role. Is He pleased with yours?
Ah! the immeasurable depths of Almighty GOD whose full truth reigns - as He so abundantly loves us all!Please log in to respond to this comment.Can you be brave enough to love, discern God, even without the backdrop the Old Testament which, unlike God, is just chock plumb full of wild blueberry muffins?Please log in to respond to this comment.I agree with every word that you send; can you relegate the Old Testament Bible to its proper use as a doorstop, and STILL sustain this faith and love of God?
I have learned to.Please log in to respond to this comment.These are the people who after Church services, Holy water and Hail Marys, enslaved others and murdered 2,000,000 Jewish children; if the Jews had conquered the American West, the Indians would instead still be alive (and eating in Chinese restaurants).Please log in to respond to this comment.
I liked the addendum you included here. At first I didn't agree with your refusal to appear on those radio shows; but upon further thought, I can see how you arrived at your decision. Those brainwashed religious callers would have had both barrels loaded, with the safety off- pointed directly at you- and unfortunately, they have itchy fingers too.
That type of situation is pregnant with the potential for bitter, angry argument- a situation which, as we see so often here on SW- cannot produce any understanding, but promotes only more distention and strife.In order for this kind of thing to be a good productive debate, rather than an exercise in futility, the people on both sides of the question under debate, must be open minded, and willing to at least look at and consider the views of the other side- a forum which we seldom, if ever, find. Thanks- Always- EllaPlease log in to respond to this comment.Thank you; I think that you're most correct.
Those who carry the Bible in their hands often don't have that Bible in their hearts; when that Book's distortion of 'God' is challenged, they become a week away from a rooftop and a rifle.Please log in to respond to this comment.As Rick Medina says: "I'm laughing out loud." It would seem that, in your opinion, a lot of people have the potential for that rooftop and rifle........Please log in to respond to this comment.It doesn't take much, with no gun control in evidence and rampant mental illness .Please log in to respond to this comment.It is only the God in these people who has to revive and that needs blessing and grace. They are evading it through their own demonic minds.Please log in to respond to this comment.Perhaps you are right Paul; Your prescient caution seems to stem from knowledgeable experience- something we should all identify and partake of- for our own sake.......Please log in to respond to this comment.
Paul, you know that I love and admire you. I have no higher respect for anyone than for Jews. But after all of your exclamations and declarations, you have said nothing whatsoever to back up your wild dreams. Nothing. You say that Christians accept and claim the Old Testament as their book. Only those who don't understand both say that. I personally believe it to be the inspired word of God...BUT, it is now only of historical value. Jesus Christ, and his law contained in the New Testament is the power of salvation and at least half of it is written by the apostles striving to get the Jews to drop the old law. Many wanted to accept Jesus but wanted to hang on to the Jewish rituals as well. Here is what the Hebrews writer had to say about it:
"In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away". (Hebrews 8:13)
"But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises". (Hebrews 8:6)Please log in to respond to this comment.A evil, violent and despotic person sees an echo of himself in the God of the Old Testament; a person who instead is peaceful, loving and gentle must needs reject that sinister being with every fibre of his being.
http://www.blackmesapress.com/Religion.htm
Affection,
PaulPlease log in to respond to this comment.Greetings -
Thank you, Joel, for the gospel truth and for loving Paul as I do - AND BEST OF ALL - GOD CERTAINLY DOES LOVE ALL, INCLUDING PAUL AND OTHERS who are on a search for real truth.
Prayer: Father GOD, in the name of JESUS, please prove Your loving pure and sincere truth to those who are deceived just as others were, UNTIL You provided certain evidence that the whole of The Holy Bible is YOU, LORD...
Thank you, Lord - AmenPlease log in to respond to this comment.
Well Paul, You're playful nature must think you are in Heaven now, all this stuff you've stirred up and everyone is in a dither. I can see you smiling from ear to ear listening to all the chaos from the responses you've received.
As you know we don't agree on many things. I'm not overly educated, and I don't have the Bible memorized but it is my point of reference for living. I was living in the gutter one day and I cried out to God to please help me and the next thing you know I was being helped by some of the most wonderful spiritual people in the world. They cleaned me up, helped get me back on my feet, introduced me to the Lord Jesus Christ, and gave me a Bible to study and taught me that it had all the answer to ever life problem I would ever have and so far it has never failed me. That was 34 years ago. That means the record for the Bible for me is 100%.
When I've stepped outside of the path God has me on then darkness starts to come near and I don't ever want to live that life again.
I can only tell you what my experience has been and I hope and pray that you have the same success with your book.Please log in to respond to this comment.
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